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MacGybo

Video 1 :

https://youtu.be/Lb82X1N4SLo

Video 2 :

https://youtu.be/N6C0iiyJd3Q

And the partner video (since most newbie PvP takes place in LS):

https://youtu.be/LJbUMEE3vpA?si=UqOz1ZMDx2e_Vf3L

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Brother Grimoire

PVP can be daunting. You're not sure what's happening and then ding you're taking the pod express home. I have a few tips to help players that are inexperienced with pvp to "Git Gud"

  1. Record your gameplay - It's very easy to spot mistakes when your watching someone else's gameplay, like we saw with the armchair quarterbacks during the AT. You'll be able to notice where you went wrong and what caused you to take damage.

  2. Overheat your guns - Heat is love; Heat is life. If you're going to go down, go down swinging! Just be sure you don't burn out the modules.

  3. Always keep moving - A ship with 0 velocity is a lot easier to hit than a ship in motion

  4. Pay attention to WHERE you're moving - Flying straight at another pilot will allow their guns to hit easier and harder. If you need to approach another pilot, do it at an angle!

  5. Use EWAR - EWAR is a force multiplier on the battlefield. Webs, jams, tracking disrupters, damps, etc all make you a lot harder to deal with

  6. Ships are ammo - Ships are ultimately disposable. Don't be afraid to use them! You will never get better if you don't fight

  7. Always check your ship - I can remember a few notable losses that could have been avoided if I had loaded paste and ammo beforehand

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MacGybo
Brother Grimoire

I really like the "record your gameplay" suggestion. Like practising a golf swing.

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Brother Grimoire
MacGybo

A lot better than those metal swing trainers, that's for sure.

"SCREEEEEEEEECH"

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AlexGra

Here are some tips for PvP beginners

Practice Patience: Don't rush into fights. Wait for the right moment to engage and choose your battles wisely.

Utilize Flanking: Surprise your opponents by attacking from unexpected angles. Flanking can catch them off guard.

Resource Management: Manage your ammo, health packs, and abilities effectively to avoid running out during crucial moments.

Learn from Others: Observe both your victories and defeats to understand what strategies work and where you can improve.

Stay Aware: Pay attention to your surroundings, the minimap, and audio cues. This information is crucial for reacting to threats.

Stay Positive: Maintain a positive mindset. Every match is a chance to learn, and setbacks are a natural part of improvement.

Remember, improvement takes time. Be patient with yourself and enjoy the learning process. Good luck and have fun!

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EVEIL

I'd always suggest asymmetric PVP as a place to start. This means looking for unsuspecting targets that aren't in a position to fight back, or who you have the advantage against.

Why? Because whether your first engagement is an epic fight against a superior foe, a nail bitingly even match, or slapping an exploration frigate into oblivion, you'll get the adrenaline rush either way. And when you get the shakes, you get tunnel vision and make mistakes. Acclimatizing yourself to the shakes whilst still getting kills will prevent you from getting discouraged and allow you to think under pressure when you come up against someone who puts up a fight.

You should also have a plan. Know what kind of ship you are able to beat. This isn't so easy in the beginning as you won't know what other ships are capable of. This is one of those things where the more you do it, the better feel you'll get.

If possible, record your fights and review it after. There is always something you can improve on. Experienced players do this, so you should too. If you're really struggling to understand what happened in a fight, ask the other player. Most of the time, Eve players are more than happy to share knowledge.

If you're a low skillpoint player, just know that it is still possible to get kills. Asymmetric PVP shines here. If you're looking for a method to get your first kill that doesn't involve losing hundreds of frigates in Faction Warfare, I've got you covered with a method for getting your first kill on your first day in Eve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMdqZdovIe0

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Kane Carnifex

There is one unwritten rule!

If you fly with others you don´t coward. Stand you ground and die together. For a beginner the 10 Mill Maulus may expensive, but for your Veteran Marauder Friend it could make the diffrence.

If the FC calls it off, you still be on grid until the heavy stuff moves off. Just in case.

If you pull out of this because you are scared to loose your ship. You will never get the tunnel vision off neither the experience to fly outgunned.

Any of the EWAR Ship are heavy Fleet multiplier and always welcome in Kitchen Sink.

Chameleon

Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.

  • Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

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FUN INC

  1. Don’t fly anything that you can’t afford to lose (replace)

  2. Get a PVP overview! – make sure you include the pilots name, distance to pilot, velocity, and transversal velocity – and understand what these mean!

  3. Install OBS and record everything – learn from your mistakes

  4. Join a starter corporation, get free skillbooks and free ships and a wealth of experience - in EVE they're also your support network and often financial backers.

  5. You learn by losing – buy 10 / 20 / 30 frigates, and go out and PVP, and record each engagement and review them

  6. Dictate fights on your terms, not your opponents

  7. Know your mechanics – understand about bubbles & bombs if you are in null; understand about gate or station guns if you are losec; if you are running losec FW plexes, know what can enter them.

  8. Always D-scan, and understand how it works, and always watch Local

  9. Know your enemy, and know your engagement profile - Learn basic meta and the difference between them – brawlers, scram kiters and kiters

  10. Understand the different types of tank - shield, and armour - and how to spot them - but also when to try to run away if you are not killing a target - if you can't kill it, then you need to get out, before someone comes to assist and try to kill you!

  11. Understand implications of ewar, & cap warfare on your ship.

  12. Understand the difference between a warp scrambler and a warp disruptor and the implications they will have on your ship if you are a kiter!

  13. The best way to get into PVP is to lose your fear of losing a ship

  14. install PYFA and look at your fit before flying it - know your optimals, your ammo reloads, your speed with AB or MWD - and your speed without.

  15. As soon as you undock, set up your HUD as you are most comfortable - i personally always have prop mod on F1, and ewar on F2-F3, and guns grouped beyond etc

  16. Always repair and reload between fights - don't go into a fight with heat damage - if you need to overheat, you need to overheat - if you can't then you may die!

  17. If you are dying, always overheat - no point in dying if you could have overheated your guns another 50%!

  18. Commit to the fight - or don't commit - you can't do one or the other - you must choose. (refer back to point 6)

  19. PVP is hard - don't get disheartened - you will die. & you will die a lot.

  20. HAVE FUN!

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Kshal Aideron

Either get your corp to do a newbro roam or join one of the NPSI newbro roams. Both FUN Inc and LinkNet do newbro roams (FUN's is the FUNny Newbros and LinkNet is GRIP) that do a full pvp 101 as well as ship handouts.

Both fleets can be found on the NPSI calendar.

FUN's newbro roam has been flying just over 2 years now and I believe LinkNet's is around the same or longer. Both roams can be found on the NPSI Calendar. https://npsi.rocks/

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FUN INC
Kshal Aideron

Yes these guys are awesome! :P

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Kshal Aideron

Thanks Kshal Aideron - that's helpful! If you meant this as a submission, you'll have to click 'Enter' not 'reply'. We also might need a bit more info for it to be in the running for a reward

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FUN INC
Alex Sinclair

Kshal is one of the FUN INC FCs - she runs our newbro content Alex Sinclair

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Kshal Aideron
Alex Sinclair

Pretty sure I hit enter. I don't really care about the bounty and don't need to give a long dictation on pvp advice other than "join a newbro roam". ;-)

Remember this advice is for newbros. They will stop reading or watching if the advice is too long or in depth.

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Kshal Aideron

Ace, okay. Well great to meet you, Kshal. And welcome aboard!

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J1Tah

The simple PvP Mantra™ to get anyone started

Quite often we see newbro guides for PvP that seem way too overcomplicated and confusing for an actual new player, or to whom PvP 'actions' are completely foreign. End of the day, making another spacecraft explode is a fairly simple procedure; shoot it until it blows up. Of course the deeper one delves into it and more skilled/experienced one's opponent is, the more complex getting to the simple situation becomes. But this cute little mantra to repeat will not only get you started, but will remain with you no matter how deep you decide to get into it.

MOVE - SHOOT - MODULES

Let's break it down: MOVE: Make sure your spaceship is moving the way you want it to move. Sounds simple, no? It sounds simple because it is, whether you are brawling or kiting, approaching, orbiting, whatever it may be you have decided is the best option for the engagement ahead, first step is always to move. SHOOT: Again, very simple, yet quite often overlooked in the panic of first encounters. Lock the target, cycle your weapons, engage your drones and make sure you are applying the damage from your chosen weapon systems. Prechecking your engagement ranges ties to the MOVE part of the mantra. MODULES: Now that you are moving and applying your damage, it's time to check you have activated your modules. Here is when you make decisions about overheating and/or which modules to activate/deactivate. (Are your reppers running? tackle? do you need to prop? are you heating? should you be heating? is anything overheated and burning out?)

After the initial run through of the mantra, you quite simply go back to the start, repeating it constantly: MOVE turns into positioning and piloting decisions: are you in your engagement range, should you maximize your damage or mitigate opponent's damage, push, pull, keep doing what you're doing? SHOOT turns into making sure you are indeed applying your damage, ammo selections, making sure your drones are on the target. Also here is where i personally check if i am winning or losing the engagement damage wise, informing the decision making in the other parts of the mantra. MODULES turns into making sure to check overheat situation, should you stop heating to not burn out, which modules you can and should overheat if any. Are your modules running out of charges, how's your capacitor situation, is your tackle running (for example if your opponent dipped out of web range and your webs decycled automatically). This part of the mantra is very much the 'managing your ship' part of piloting.

The more experienced and skilled you become, the deeper each part of the mantra becomes, but the base layering of decision making will remain the same. Especially in one's first encounters, its incredibly easy to forget to shoot, tackle, move, and essentially make mistakes that seem really 'stupid' when you look back to them in the station you found yourself looking at the lossmail, but in the stress of the moment, well, it is really easy to blank out. Thus repeating this fairly simple mantra might just help you to keep your wits about you when the adrenaline hits like a sack of bricks and you seem to forget where your overview is. I know it does for me.

Keep it simple, because, well, it often is.

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James

Engaging in Player versus Player (PvP) combat in EVE Online can be both thrilling and challenging, especially for beginners. Here are some essential tips and advice to help you get started:

  1. Start Small: Begin with frigates and destroyers. These ships are cheaper and easier to replace if you lose them, which is quite likely as you learn the ropes of PvP.

  2. Fit for Purpose: Fit your ship with modules that suit your intended role and playstyle. Balancing offense, defense, and maneuverability is crucial.

  3. Ship Fitting: Prioritize proper fitting over expensive modules. Effective modules and strategies matter more than using the most expensive gear.

  4. Skill Training: Focus on training relevant skills that improve your ship's performance, such as weapon skills, navigation skills, and fitting skills.

  5. Learn from Losses: Accept that you will lose ships, and each loss is a learning opportunity. Analyze what went wrong and how you could have done better.

  6. Awareness and Positioning: Pay attention to your surroundings. Always be aware of potential threats, and position yourself strategically to avoid getting caught off-guard.

  7. Know Your Enemy: Use tools like zKillboard to learn about other players' kill history and tactics. This can help you predict their behavior and adjust your strategy accordingly.

  8. Be Prepared to Disengage: PvP encounters can quickly turn against you. Be prepared to warp out if things aren't going your way. A dead ship deals no damage.

  9. Join a Corporation: Consider joining a player corporation that focuses on PvP. You'll learn from experienced players, have access to fleet support, and get involved in group engagements.

  10. Practice in Safe Environments: EVE has arenas like the "Thunderdome" on the Singularity test server, where you can practice PvP without losing ships or modules.

  11. Communication: If you're flying in a fleet, clear communication is key. Follow your fleet commander's orders and coordinate effectively with your teammates.

  12. Patience and Perseverance: PvP in EVE has a steep learning curve. Don't get discouraged by losses. Keep practicing, learning, and improving.

  13. Scouting: In PvP, information is power. Use scout ships to gather intel about potential targets before engaging.

  14. Ship Roles: Understand the roles your ship and the enemy's ship play. Some ships are better suited for tackling, while others excel at dealing damage or disrupting enemies.

Remember that EVE Online's PvP environment is known for its complexity and depth. Embrace the learning process, be willing to adapt, and most importantly, have fun as you explore this thrilling aspect of the game.

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Melicien Tetro

This advice really applies anywhere, but it's extremely important.

DON'T TRY TO SOLVE YOUR PVP ISSUES BY THROWING ISK AT IT. No, you don't need a bigger ship. No, you don't need an injector.

You need to git gud.

I could give you examples all day of the most profficient killers in my neck of...space. Low sp, cheap fits, high volume. Find a solid pvp platform that you can lose 10-100 of, and then go wild in it. Learn your engagement profiles, learn when to take the bait, learn when not. Learn to recognize the exact point YOU fell for the trap. It's earlier than you think. Back in my day, we used to sharper our teeth on two week rifter free trials. Consider trying that on an alpha account, and realize other people GET KILLS like this. If you're actually flying your ship, against somebody else, it's one of the hardest things in gaming. Don't sweat dying 100 times. Even the vets have to go through it every so often to get the rust off.

tl;dr, get the suck out before you throw money at it.

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Swagger Olacar

  1. Ships are ammo dying is learning.

  2. Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose.

  3. Don't be afraid to ask we all had to learn at some point. Join a group willing to tech you if you can/want.

  4. Electronic Warfare is a thing, abuse it, dictate the rules of the engagement with it, their lockingrange, damage range, tracking, application.

  5. Thermodynamics 5 is OP, train it if you can over heating longer than your opponent might just give you the advantage you are looking for.

  6. Cheap boosters make the difference take them.

  7. Never underestimate the power of stupid.

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Swagger Olacar

Swagger Olacar - You very narrowly missed out on a reward here. This was a tough choice.

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Ben Rush

Alright, fellow Capsuleers, here's a PvP tip as slick as a hockey puck on ice: remember, in the rink of EVE Online, every engagement's like a power play. Just like in hockey, teamwork makes the dream work. Set up your plays, communicate like you're passin' the puck, and watch each other's backs like true teammates. And hey, when you're in a tough spot, think of it like a penalty kill – stay cool, stay coordinated, and you'll come out on top. So, lace up those virtual skates, and let's light up the galaxy with some PvP magic, eh?

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