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The bounty clock is ticking, and I don't have much time to dive deep into the details, especially with each side spinning their own version of events. It's going to take a while to uncover the full truth. But one thing is certain – this fight is destined to go down in EVE's history.

Today, the Vale of the Silent was anything but silent.

Let's start by quoting myself from a post just a week ago: "Pandafam is taking advantage of the calm to handle their own internal maintenance, as their rapidly growing empire risks collapsing without proper support." (source)

Apparently, they were prepping shopping bags for something big. And now it makes sense – I'll call this battle the "Black Friday Shopping Spree."

Yes, this is an asteroid belt, no, they are not mining.

Let me share some of the key stats from this monumental battle. Ships involved included:

  • 1 Vanquisher,

  • 2 Moloks,

  • 5 Komodos,

  • 1 Azariel,

  • 1 Revenant.

To top it off, Fraternity and Pandemic Horde fielded 84 regular Titans and 73 Motherships. I can't remember the last time I saw this many Pirate Titans in a single grid – it was truly a sight to behold.

How it all started? Fraternity seemed particularly upset about losing their 'Magpie' Mobile Tractor Unit. So, they brought almost 100 Titans and 400 other ships to avenge the fallen Magpie. Un-intentionally stepping into a Dread-bomb.

I have included links to two battle reports, as they have slightly different loss estimations. But unless someone is willing to sell me a Pirate Titan for 1 ISK or even 200 billion ISK (as per battle report evaluations), I'm estimating total losses at well over 5 trillion ISK. You can find the full reports here:

  1. Related Kills | 1N-FJ8 | 2024-11-29 13:00 | zKillboard

  2. Battle Report Tool

As the dust settles, one thing is clear: The Initiative. and Snuffed Out executed an incredible operation today – one truly worth bragging about. They fought hard, and their efficence on the field was impressive.

Salvagers, get ready, because there's going to be a lot of work to do in 1N-FJ8!

Sturmer's avatar

Some additional info

鯊鯊愛好者 : Leng Jian is the pilot of the Revenant and the two Faction Titans. He is not very popular. SO FRT has expelled Leng Jian from FRT citizenship. Therefore, FRT currently says that their war loss ratio is winning and they are the winners.

Meanwhile, Snuffs also claim that they are modernizing their fleets to T2 Dreads, so apparently they need these Revels traded somewhere ^_^

2 out of 4 Queens from this picture are down

WTB Titan

Luka Zaharin's avatar

So, I did not manage to collect enough footage for a video, but I want to tell you about a big fight in Kinakka.

First some background stories...

After the destruction of Space Detroit in Tama about two years ago, that system never really got back to it's former glory. Although Snuffed Out and their allies still camped the system, it had lost it's rank as a PvP hub. To avoid the camps, people always used the Kinakka-route, but with the changes to FW and the new Insurgency mechanics, the system came to a whole new importance.

Jump to the present:

Three days ago, a big brawl took place in this Caldari FW entry system. In fact, for several years, the Astrahus on the Onnamon-Kinakka gate, owned by the Tranquility Trading group was a freeport and important crossing point for small gatecamps, but with the newfound importance of the system, large groups wanted to gain control over this strategic location.

Several large fights took place on the 27th and 28th with many capitals and subcapitals deployed and destroyed. One of the fights I had the opportunity to hear more about fielded over 500 pilots totalling 420 billion ISK in losses.

A few hours later, I was able to get to the system and found myself in a fight between two battleship fleets (about 70 pilots each) in a field of over 60 dead Bombers. As most of the fighting took place during my night time, I have less information then I would like to have, but I want to share this screenshot of my Lootgoblin attack, as well as one of the battlereports a friend sent me.

https://br.evetools.org/br/674809ef9c05700011c4db96

The Astrahus is still active, but a Fortizar that was build to gain more control over the system was destroyed on Wednesday.

https://zkillboard.com/kill/122827775/

This battle is not yet over and will probably gain momentum again with the current insurgency turning the system into lawless space. The new strategic importance of Kinakka is most probably going to bring more fights and large-scale operations into the area. I am a lowsec pilot and I'm not really into large battles, but one thing is for sure; I will be there and LOOOT!

Kane Carnifex's avatar

Glorious Stuff Happens.

Not one, also not two but three Trillion ISK have been destroyed.
It all started with just a little bit and snowballed into something bigger.

Here is your Black Friday Deal.

A Rorq got tackled by INIT which got further escalated by adding a Dread to it which got escalated by FRAT with a Titan Response which got escalated with a Dread Ball, which probably got more Titans and Supers..and than we got this here:

High Value Targets like the Azariel, Revenant, Komodo and a Vanquisher were the desired targets by INIT,Goons and Snuff.
Unfortunately we didn't see a Molok kill.

https://br.evetools.org/related/30000294/202411291300



A total of 3,78T got destroyed.
And if you took a closer look to the Battle Report a lot of dreads died and just a few Titans.
But these Titans my friends are rare, expensive and special.
Brave blew one up for Fun, this expensive!


One of the first uploads I saw, a Brave one, REV with just 2 Cap Boosters.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/aqzZFeDewEk?feature=oembed



Later we got full recap here:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/EDIIE0OC8sE?feature=oembed

How could this happen?



NPC Stations in NPC Space can´t be controlled.
Which therefore can be used to project capitals into enemy space.
There are two sides of a medal, so is a Battlereport.

Dydo's avatar

This month's most exciting battle is undoubtedly the "Black Friday Shopping Spree" (BFSS), a name coined by Sturmer. While the BFSS has grabbed the spotlight, a prior engagement deserves recognition for its pivotal role in shaping the dynamics and strategies of both sides, proving that the intensity of this conflict was brewing long before the current spectacle.

A noteworthy engagement occurred earlier on November 8th between the same alliances involved in BFSS. In this battle, Deepwater Hooligans - a Pandemic Horde and Fraternity ally - suffered the loss of a Fortizar Citadel, and both sides lost a total of 94 Nightmares worth 166.4 billion ISK. These Nightmares accounted for half of the total 336.7 billion ISK lost, which was evenly distributed between both sides, as well as the efficiency, as per the battle report.


Some raw stats:

  • Location: 9-02G0 -0.5 (Detorid)

  • Date: 09.11.2024

  • First blood: Flycatcher | Intergalactic Space Hobos (03:34 ET)

https://kb.evetools.org/kill/122283098/
  • Capital exploded: Fortizar | Deepwater Hooligans (05:23 ET)

https://kb.evetools.org/kill/122285395/
  • Total ISK lost: 336.7b (168.49b vs 168.49b)

  • Pilots involved: 1264

  • Total killmails: 992

  • Ships lost: 992 (498 vs 494)

  • Total capsules destroyed: 338

  • Total inflicted damage: 35.87m

  • Team A inflicted damage: 18.21m

  • Team B inflicted damage: 17.66m


This engagement seems to have marked a turning point in the ongoing conflict among these alliances. The scale of losses has escalated, with ISK values climbing from billions to hundreds of billions, and most recently, to nearly 4 trillion ISK in the largest clash to date. The destruction has included everything from Citadels to Titans, signaling the intensification of hostilities.

Adding to the complexity, The Initiative.'s recent announcement of a standings reset set for January 1, 2025, hints at major political and military shifts on the horizon for this region of New Eden. These developments will likely reshape alliances and power dynamics in significant ways.

For those interested, the detailed battle report can be found here:

9-02G0 -0.5(Detorid) | 08-11-2024

Hunter's avatar

End Of Time Of Victories :

Its seems that the time of glory and the time superiority is coming to an end, after months of crashing its enemies, and destroying everything on Its path, resisting to many attempts to break the lines of logistics, after many spies killed and banished from the Alliance.

The Alliance of Absolute Order has suffered a big loss in battle that engaged 797 Pilots, 400 Kill mails in just 5 hours, the Battle as quick as it was the Alliance on it's head the legendary Governor Lee, have being taken by surprise when a first party of 230 Pilots dropped in GA9P-0 composed of the factions that got destroyed last month like the Minmatar fleet alliance and Domain Research and mining .inst and followed just after (3rd partying) by the famous Goonswarm Federation with 52 pilots.

The losses were enormous 228 loses for the AO Alliance, the Governor and few veterans managed to make away out of the massacre, lost 35Billion isk, Yes The Victors lost 17 Billion but they made a significant blow to AO.

here is a detailed AAR report :

https://br.evetools.org/br/674708799c05700011c4da7f

Many says this maybe the point of the mountain and from now on is down the hill, but the members showed resilience and are preparing for a big comeback. time will tell

Sturmer's avatar

Hey Alex Sinclair seems this reward is missing the due date component?

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