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avrona's avatar

I'll end up giving a pretty similar argument to what I did in the bounty regarding AI art. After all, there is nothing objective preventing music from saying anything, while our mere human subjective ramblings don't really matter! And trying to give any weight or meaning to our random subjective opinions in the grand scheme of the universe just seems silly.

Naturally there are practical limits to what music can say however, especially if you want to keep it good. Naturally, you can always just make it nothing than an essay essentially, cram more words in than is suitable, and disregard all rules of good music just to focus on getting your point across, though I always stand by that anyone who sacrifices the quality of their art just to send a message, has their priorities severely messed up. The quality of the final piece is what matters, and even if you have something very important to say, no one will listen if there's nothing worth listening to, just making the piece pretentious. And I always thought pretentiousness, at least for me, is one of the biggest turn-offs for pretty much any form of art.

Despite that, it's always interesting to see how musicians manage to really push the limits of what can be said within the limitations of good music that people actually want to listen to, be it with just masterful use of language or lyrics, or the strategic use of the music itself to give a song a certain vibe. I know it may seem obvious, but in music, the lyrics do most of the talking, while the melody is just more of just auxiliary support to reinforce whatever the author is trying to say. Granted, while there is still plenty more experimentation that can be done in that field, pushing the boundaries of what is good and tolerable to the ear to give the song a unique message, however with how long music has existed for, and how many songs are being released daily, we are hitting some limits. But, that experimentation is still going on. After all, that's how we got punk music, and then post-punk from that, from pushing the boundaries of acceptability and seeing what else can be good that can be a tool for delivering the author's intent in a new and creative way while still being good enough musically that it's worth listening to.

While I can't remember any particular moments where I went "wow, I can't believe they managed to say THIS with their music", I'm definitely always surprised by the eloquence of some of my favourite songs and how they are able to put words together in a way I never would've thought of. I write a lot for a living, and I've even written a song before for a project, but there's no better way to make me feel inadequate in my ability as a writer in any scenario than what I see what songwriters can do and how their lyrics often work together.

Even then, what constitutes good or bad is always almost subjective, and in many songs we just have to take the author's word for it they are doing something deeper here, and it isn't just a random collection of thoughts they put together. I do certainly love those songs, where the lyrics just begin to ramble and feel so strange, yet still somehow come together to say something wonderful. It's certainly a hard balance, as one wrong step and you fall into being pretentious, which is again one of the biggest creative sins for me. But for me at least, it works. Take my favourite song of all time for example, a Polish track who's title translates to "Nobody says they're scared of love as beautifully as you", and yes, that is actually the full title. Again, is it just being pretentious and different for the sake of it, did they just want to use the full sentence, or is there something deeper behind it? I don't know, and I will never know unless the author just reveals the intentions, but the weirdness doesn't stop there, as all the lyrics are just so odd. Here's some of my favourites, keep in mind they're translated, so they don't flow as well in English, but honestly they don't even really make sense in Polish either:

Your arms are not crumbling dough They don't smell like mint paste I'm in your arms, an insignificant dissonance A rain of happiness shot over the abyss

or

Before the lightning and the rainbow cross the bridge of sorrows

Before the day flies away on a cloud

Before the peas and the roses kiss over the fence again

Before the dust sweeps the outdoors

No it's not just you, they make very little sense, and just sound like random thoughts the author had. But together, in its own weird way, it does work. The whole song comes together to create something of such emotion to me, that I struggle not to cry whenever I hear it. In these instances, especially if the original intent is not explicitly revealed, either in the song itself or by the musician and only them after the fact (because our own thoughts and theories about the meaning are inherently hollow and pointless) then it just remains a mystery of what is meant on a point-by-point basis here. But together, it comes together to create something with something truly special to say, even if its in ways that are hard to understand. Especially as someone who always struggled communicating with others and knowing what to say, I do find it incredibly comforting, that these strings of random words can come together to create something bigger than itself, and something that does have a grander message in the overall flow, atmosphere, and emotional tone of a song, rather than any single one line.

At the same time, it's also completely ok for music to not say anything at all, for it to just sound good and be pleasant to the ear. There's no music law stating that songs need to have any deeper message or say anything. That idea in itself gives way to a cornucopia of possibilities, be it taking the route of making music in the easy listening genre, or even taking the idea of not taking a point to make a point. To bring up another Polish song, a popular hit from back home is just called "Cash" and the lyrics are all very meta, talking about how that very song is written for money and only money, not to make any point, and to be as hollow as possible.

Overall, no there is no limit to what music can or can't say, because there is nothing physical preventing it from saying literally anything. For me it's as simple as that, it's not a philosophical question, or something that needs to be deeply pondered, it's just a simple fact of life, and by discussing it too much ourselves, we ourselves fall into that trap of just being pretentious, or trying to make a point out of nothing just for the sake of making a point. Be it a story, raw emotions, atmosphere, or anything else, with the right combination of sounds and words it can be done. Naturally only so much can be done whilst remaining of the confines of what most people would call "good" music, and you can make the world's best, most thought-provoking point, or you could even reveal the mysteries to life itself, cures to the world's worst diseases, and more, but it doesn't matter if no one will listen if the song itself is bad, and whatever you have to say will just bounce of a wall.

Retro Stu's avatar

Music is an emotion first-medium. The limitations of rhyme and structure mean some ideas are too complicated for music to fully express, so musicians shouldn't even try.

It's been a while since I was at University, but having studied music and music production for 6 years this essay statement reignited a passion and dare I say a sense of fight that has perhaps been a little dormant in recent years.

Let's break down the statement:

Music is an emotion first-medium – I'm inclined to agree. Be it purely instrumental or with lyrics, music has the innate ability to trigger a response instantly from one chord, progression or carefully sung sentence. Whether that's bringing a tear to your eye or making you want to get up and dance.

The limitations of rhyme and structure mean some ideas are too complicated for music to fully express – perhaps? so musicians shouldn't even try - No. No I can't accept that. Consider that any practice, be it creative, scientific or otherwise, if we'd all merely stuck to the rules we'd have missed out on countless strides of progression. Viagra would still be used for it's original purpose rather than being used to also help treat those with heart conditions, Pinterest wouldn't be filled with IKEA hacks because everyone would have just followed the instruction manual and have the same kallax unit.

To say musicians shouldn't even try is a non starter of a statement.

Music, like any art form, is a creation from a group or individual. There will be intended bias as to what the music or art should be interpreted as and the only people that know what that intention was are those who made it and their emotional intelligence as to what they are trying to convey.

Then you add an audience, an audience where no one person is the same and you're adding in the element of subjectivity. You could poll every person that had listened to a particular song and their explanations as to what they perceive the music is conveying may be similar but many will be different.

For some musicians triggering those conversations, those mixed perceptions of what they are trying to say is exactly what they intended. An air of mystery, allowing the element of subjectivity to transform that piece into what the listener needs it to be.

For others, it's a much simpler process, whether trying to capture the zeitgeist of the time or bring people together. The Specials are a great example of this, with Ghost Town among other songs, beautifully bringing together themes of unemployment, racial tensions and urban decay all against a very interesting musical soundtrack.

Emotions are complex, incredibly so, with things like anger, sadness, happiness etc. all having their own subcategories and what is happiness or sadness or anger for one could be very different to another. Creating the music is the first step, putting it out there to be perceived by anyone allows music to flourish, to explore it's own meaning and evolve. There may be some limitations as to what can be created, when you consider a finite number of chords available for example, but that hasn't stopped music being created for thousands of years, creating hundreds and hundreds of genres and sub genres all with their own intentions.

Now, more than ever, with the conversations around mental health and emotional wellbeing being in the spotlight, there's even less of a reason for musician's not to try and express anything, be it for their own emotional health or to create something for others to relate to.

Whilst Scott Hutchison of Frightened Rabbit lost his battle with his mental health he didn't stop trying to convey how he felt, with so many songs painting a very vivid and at times very blatant picture of his struggles. And they were his struggles, not someone else's, his. As complicated as you can get, where the only person who can truly understand the idea is you. To be in the midst of those complicated feelings and still get the music and words out is testament to what music really allows us as individuals to do and feel.

It may be cliché to say but it can be incredibly cathartic be it creating or listening to it. Those moments where you're so far in your own head that the noise of the outside world is too much, music can be that lighthouse to guide you back. Perhaps it's the structure of music, the idea of an ABAB structure for example that can add some logic to an emotional situation when logic would usually be MIA. So no, the limitations of rhyme and structure are not a hindrance. They can offer a sense of familiarity, a sense of knowing what's coming and working through that.

I know from experience that if musician's hadn't tried to express complex feelings or emotions then my life would be far poorer for it. Song after song in my library that has guided me through bouts of depression, break ups, moments of pure elation, the list goes on. Without those musical moments helping me work through my own stuff, I would argue I'd be a far less rounded individual and wouldn't be where I am now.

Horror and Cats's avatar

If JA takes votes, I vote this.

Sturmer's avatar

The Heartbeat of Music

Music is an integral part of our existence, a universal language that begins its journey with us from the earliest moments of life. Within the womb, we are cradled in the rhythm of our mother's heartbeat, an innate lullaby that forms our first connection with sound and rhythm. This primal bond with music suggests that it is more than an art form; it is an aspect of our human experience.

The heartbeat, a simple yet subtle rhythm, is perhaps our first encounter with the power of music to convey emotion and state of being. This rhythm accompanies us throughout life, often unnoticed, yet always present. It is a reminder that music is not just an external art form but a part of our very essence, echoing within us with every "tic-tic-tic" of our heart.

Music's capacity to tell stories is as varied as the human experience itself. From the short, dynamic tracks of modern songs to the sprawling narratives of operas' arias, music showcases its versatility in storytelling. This range highlights that the structure of music is not a limitation but a canvas for diverse expressions, accommodating everything from emotional expressions to elaborate multi-layered stories.

There are English, Japanese, Italian, and many other languages, and then there is Music's Language. The question of what music cannot express seems almost redundant when considering its vast expressive scope. Music transcends linguistic and cultural barriers, capable of depicting a spectrum of human emotions and experiences. It can articulate the joy of a bright day or the melancholy of a quiet evening without uttering a single word. This universality underscores music's unique ability to capture and deliver experiences and sensations that might miss verbal descriptions.

I also wish to touch on the role of the composer in shaping music. The essence of music's expressiveness lies in the hands of composers. Their imaginative process transforms the complexities of emotions and experiences into melodies and harmonies. It is through their creativity that music speaks in varied ways, resonating with listeners on a deeply personal level. It's a moment of an art transformation.

To sum up, music can't express a company's annual report, but it can vividly convey the feelings coursing through an accountant's head as they race against time to finish the report. This nuanced understanding highlights music as an emotion-first medium. Although it can't directly communicate scientific formulas or detailed financial data, its expressive capabilities are boundless due to its level of abstraction and personal perception. Music begins as an intimate rhythm shared with the mother and evolves into a language that can articulate the full range of human emotions and experiences. It is not confined by its structure but is empowered by it, offering a unique window into the human spirit. Music stands as a testament to the human capacity for creativity and emotional expression, resonating with us from our first heartbeat to the last.

Retro Stu's avatar

You are taking me back to my uni days with this kind of question and I LOVE it.

Going to spend some time pondering this over the weekend ahead of my submission!

Rich's avatar

Delighted to hear it! It's always a bit of a nervy feeling asking these big effortful questions, but hopefully they're still fun to wrestle with. Looking forward to your thoughts :-)

FirestormGamingTeam's avatar

First off, what is music?

vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion. "couples were dancing to the music"

Music can mean so many things to so many different people, for some, it is a healing process, for others it can mean a way to escape the present and lose yourself within the music itself, such as putting on your headphones, turning the music up and closing your eyes.

With this process this is something I do myself, it can be anything from say, The Fray, how to save a life, this particular song for me has great significance. it can trigger a huge emotional response in myself, enabling me to bury my emotions behind the music itself.

This being said I have what I call "pump me up" music which is by Kordhell, which with its hard beat and basic vocals, enables me to, feel better I suppose is the best term I could use. I can become more hyper-focused by this music.

Music for everyone is different, you can see this in live streams of concerns, such as a concert I watched by Disturbed, when the song "Sound Of Silence" came on and the camera panned across the crowd, you could see some stood as if locked in place with tears streaming down their faces, whilst others where singing along, enabling the music to life their spirits and become one with the crowd around them.

If you look at music from say, ancient timers such as Egyptians etc, music was often used in two fashions, one being the very expressive art form to then being used in religious services in terms of a steady drum beat etc.

mar1gold 's avatar

With music, like any form of art really, there can be a disconnect between the artists' meaning and the interpretation of the person listening to it. This is definitely not a bad thing though! Meanings and symbols can vary from person to person and from culture to culture and that is what makes art so interesting.

Music can console us through heartbreak, get us in the mood to dance, or help us get in a focused mindset to work/study/clean or whatever you need to do. In the same vein, this type of catharsis exists for the artist too - it's a mutually beneficial relationship. Yet, I don't think what the artist intended by creating a song should reign supreme (it can always be interesting to read about though). Whatever a song means to you is what it does mean, as that's your takeaway and therefore a valid interpretation to have. This is why the endless searching through (often deceased) artists' work for endless meaning sometimes can be a bit fruitless for me, as it doesn't really matter as much as we think. Artists can try and convey feeling and emotion, but the actual reality of that feeling can differ from person to person. I think that is the true beauty of music... how personal it is, even if you had no role in making it. Certain songs can connatate different parts of our lives and bring back memories from years back. I think music is able to transcend language (which can constrain us as words have pre-defined meanings) in some cool subconscious way I'm properly not smart enough to understand. It would be cool to read about the psychology of how music makes us feeling certain things.

Retro Stu's avatar

My bounty submission is coming, I swear! I blame the baby XD

Retro Stu's avatar

I won?! Thank you so much!!

Rich's avatar

Thank you for an excellent answer amid stiff competition! We loved the breakdown of the statement and the grappling with each aspect of it, as well as the well-justified rejection of the idea that artists in any medium should accept limitations. How do we know where they lie, if anywhere at all, unless they're constantly tested?

As some background to this one: we wanted a provocative statement that everyone could get their teeth into, so it's much more strongly phrased, but it has its roots in thoughts I've personally had about music and what it does best. So it was fun to read your take, though I stress that these kinds of subjective award decisions are made by committee and, in answer to Horror and Cats, community sentiment/votes are a critical input to them.

PS Thanks also for confirming you received your prize! We seem to have a new bug whereby 'bounty submission' labels aren't updated to 'bounty winner' (we've reported it), so good to know everything else is still working.

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